The Joint Timeline of Soulsborne

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    VaatiVidya

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    aaaand I forgot to mention that Aldrich dreamt of the coming "Age of the Deep Sea", which has obvious ties to Bloodborne D:
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John Reel
John Reel

The only link that seems a little like a stretch to me is bloodborne. The healing blood was found underneath Yharnam in the catacombs and this was blood harvested from the great ones. But if Yharnam is Ariandel, then how would there be great ones?

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André Amboni
André Amboni

I think it would be nice if you did a video explaining why you don't believe in this theory.

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Sleepy V
Sleepy V

Oh my god. I wasn't expecting this. They forreal connected

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Kyle Donnelly
Kyle Donnelly

Well Kojima, Nomura and this guy have a tendency to write in a meta narrative way These allusions are likely his personal tie to the worlds he made that all tell a similar story because the tales are connected but not directly just through the lessons they taught or the themes they explore. Kojima - skulls, oil, military industrial complex etc Nomura - darkness, duality, loss of time or self, depression This guy - souls, suffering and cosmic horror, fire.. So I imagine if George Lucas made a scifi not set in star wars, we'd find similar allusions to his themes or thoughts on the world.

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midgetydeath
midgetydeath

Two more things. First, the window next to Aria looks like Yharnam aesthetic. Second, the sky in Bloodborne has been often noted by fans as looking like it was painted. Clear brushstrokes and all.

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Ritalin StuntedGrowth
Ritalin StuntedGrowth

When you said "as long as you cherry pick the evidence that suits your narrative" you perfectly described ben shapiro, coondace owens, david rubin, prager U and anything from the daily wire. Thats why ppl are so entertained by that content, regardless of whether their ideas are real or not. Research and fact checking is important! Fact checking is literally the reason Coondace owens is suing FB rn lol

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Keyzor
Keyzor

Shub what now

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Nicholas Mars
Nicholas Mars

I would love to watch a video of Vaati debunking this theory

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Rikimaru Ninja Master
Rikimaru Ninja Master

This makes a shitload of sense. It would be interesting to see the counter arguments.

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Belkhana
Belkhana

the time vaati got an n word pass and went nuts in a video.

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Mr. Error
Mr. Error

Ekhem...*in Dark Souls after death we retrieving our souls from our blood on the floor btw*

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Gwyn Lord of cinder
Gwyn Lord of cinder

It’s really cool to here vaati come up with his own little story I hope he does this again sometime (but this was 2 years ago so unlikely)

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Danny Mckenzie
Danny Mckenzie

If ghosts are able to exist doesnt that make it entirely possible they are unbound by time, meaning that ghosts in the present can be attatched to a living spirit deep into the past as well as the future.

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7i4nf4n
7i4nf4n

This is and will ever be my "being high and wanting to philosophize"-video. And no one can tell me this doesnt make sense.

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7i4nf4n
7i4nf4n

@Femi Yeah maybe, but try to tell that to my high self. Plus I've only recently got into Soulsborne lore and just played Sekiro until now

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Femi
Femi

There are multiple reasons why this doesn’t make sense, bloodbornes pthumerians, yahrnam and the great ones etc etc

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karanjot Singh
karanjot Singh

Vaatividya: dont buy into this theory Dark souls creator : we are going make game around this theory

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Jovan Petkovic
Jovan Petkovic

It makes sense that when the Witch of Izalith tried to "make a spark" again, she awoken the demons...

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Charge Unli
Charge Unli

2021 I'm mind blow, I shall attend your history class my good sir.

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Jay Strife
Jay Strife

I think they are linked in some way 100%. Video top notch as usual 👌

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Noized
Noized

Elden Ring: I'm about to end this man's whole theory

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Roshan Premnath
Roshan Premnath

Imagine if bloodborne 2 Comes out And there is a grand reveal that the entire soulsborne universe is connected Showcasing the iconic armour sets from each game And the revelation would be mind blowing

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An On
An On

Ok, but how does Armored Core fit in?

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Goten Dark
Goten Dark

this is canon for me and no one can change my mind

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redboycaptures
redboycaptures

Fuck man, you hear about Azatoth, and you realize..its Donald Trump

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Sayed Muhammed
Sayed Muhammed

Kkk I just gotta say this hands off bro this was amazing seriously

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James Burk
James Burk

Anyone think slimy baby eldritch hunter looks suspiciously like he grows up to be the old one. Maybe its all an eldritch life cycle and the humans need the demon, demon needs the humans, and on and on so long as humans don't cut ties with their souls. Maybe the beast plague wasn't a result of some eldritch god but just a plague that started because humanity had been seperated from the soul too long and the discovery of blood echoes was basically taking soul from the blood to heal people which had the similar drawback of giving you the curse. It would explain why not all bloodborne enemies look like they have beasthood, there are two curses. You're right though, its all inferred theories but this is fun.

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THE BOX GHOST!!!
THE BOX GHOST!!!

you say that it's easy to believe a story when people cherrypick evidence but it makes it even harder to not believe it when i WANT to believe it!

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dimitrios theodoridis
dimitrios theodoridis

LATRIA comes from the greek word ΛΑΤΡΕΙΑ ( in Greek alphabet the EI in some words sounds I ) which of course means worship as you already said...I admire your work and I learned everything from your videos as a souls fan myself. Greetings from a Greek fellow from the weird and unpredictable Berlin

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InsideAssassin2
InsideAssassin2

Vaati over here telling me not to buy into this shit while I’m out her buying into this

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Neth The Dracoknight
Neth The Dracoknight

why/how were the humans underground after demonsouls? where did the dragons come from? where were all of the other races of people that we see in dark souls in demon souls?

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Wotyy
Wotyy

If we stay to the side of this combined theory, I think that humans were taken their souls away when the old one ate all the souls, living the humans as hollows. They were underground because if I understood well, the old one did go underground after eating all souls. Dragons from dark souls are ( I think) survivors of demon's souls : because they're ancient creatures, we can suppose they have no souls, which explains why they survived until dark souls. The creatures and living beings in dark souls weren't in demon's souls because they were born with the start of the age of fire. Just my opinion

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MantraHerbInchSin
MantraHerbInchSin

Aah yes, I just need to remember the good old days of PTSD, yeah. It will be fun, they said...

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Shayed _666
Shayed _666

Those are mind flayers and come from dnd

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Yannick de Wit
Yannick de Wit

A personal headcanon: Souls are a form of creational energy, having souls makes you more capable of changing and comprehending your surroundings. If there are no souls to change and form the world, there's nothing, a thick gray fog and a barren wasteland. The great old one aims to devour the souls, and therefor plunge the world into the fog of nothingness. As Vaati said in another video: the Intelligence stat in DeS is about understanding the world and therefor be able to manipulate it. This is called sorcery. But souls themselves are not sentient, they give sentience but they themselves are not. Believing enough in something, having faith in something will cause the world to change and miracles to happen. Once the Great Old One consumed every soul, there was no one to keep the fog at bay. Eventually, the Great Old One was no longer present, maybe it died, maybe it became the archtrees maybe it just retreated into the abyss. Then the events of Dark Souls start, as the soon to be four lords stumble upon the Lord Souls, the combined power of the souls. When taken, this gave the lords extreme power over creation. But where there's light, there's dark, and this dark soul was taken by the furtive pygmy. The release of souls once again dispelled the gray fog, and the world came into being. When the energy of creation dissipated, Gwyn found another way of keeping creation intact and turned his souls into raw energy, this flame keeps the dark away but also gives the dark it's power. "Sacrificing" souls to this fire keeps creation stable. Dark Souls happens, and it's found that some people have the power to create paintings, create worlds therein. Where there's light, there has to be dark, so darkness is needed to create the paintings. Those that do not wish to be a part of the cycle, flee into the painting. But the creation of paintings is also a cycle, it has to happen again and again to create a fresh and stable world as here too the dark is fed by the light. During these cycles both inside and outside the painting, the people get more and more adapt at creating, becoming one with their souls, eventually not needing to even paint the paintings but just imagining them, eventually dreaming them. Now the souls have stabilized the fire is no longer needed, but on the outside everything has turned to dust and a lone Red Hood has been collecting darkness fused to the blood of the people still outside the imagined worlds for the paintings. In the dreams, understanding the world still gives the power to change the world and see the creatures from the abyss. Eventually, understanding and the ability to influence the world became related to eyes.

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Yannick de Wit
Yannick de Wit

I know it's a long read, and there are a lot of things unanswered, but it's just a beginning

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ZackX93
ZackX93

Would be nice to see how Sekiro fits into the Soulsborne Universe. I just say CRUSH ALL VERMIN

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I.C. Wiener
I.C. Wiener

AZATHOTH IS NOT AN IDIOT. At least not in the context referenced here. His name The Blind Idiot refers to him not being conscious of everything he created within his dream; Us. Our understanding of physics. That latte you had this morning. The thought of what you want to do as a career. It's all part of his dream. Once he wakes up from this dream, we do not.

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ProblmSolvd
ProblmSolvd

I've never been able to connect the other games to Dark Souls. Dark Souls depicts both the beginning and end of an era over 3 games, all repeating the cycle of medieval Europe. Demon souls and bloodborne could fit together but that's about as lenient as I get.

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Wout V.M.
Wout V.M.

Biggest gap in logic between demon souls & dark souls is within jumping distance, namely: (in-)ability to jump in the world.

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Angel Vazquez
Angel Vazquez

*Miyazaki on drugs* Miyazaki: *SNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORT* Lets not confirm anything

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Giraffe
Giraffe

I wonder why hp lovecraft called an old one “shub-niggurath”

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Reeceyboy2033
Reeceyboy2033

Aldia: Scholar of the first sin also seemed to have taken on a similar form to that of the old one from demon souls only as if it had be ignited, he spoke of learning the nature of the undead curse which could have led him like the first 4 Nito, Gwyn, Izalith and Manus, but this time not only discovering the power of souls, but the body of the old one itself. Which could explain why he not only took on a giants power and form but the twisted malformation we see at the end. I’m just babbling tho

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IV
IV

Now, do a joint timeline of soulsbornekiro

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Farron’s Watcher
Farron’s Watcher

yo can we get the ultimate souls game, with all games combined into a free roam rpg mmo

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John G254
John G254

You could simply ask patches, that son of a bitch knows anything and survives every world

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Magala The Heretic
Magala The Heretic

So Seth might've been a little less dragon and a little more Great Old One?

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Roman Guro
Roman Guro

Now try to connect Sekiro as well)) Umbasa)

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rupert ronnie
rupert ronnie

This dude can sell me water while I'm drowning and I'll buy it.

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Taylor Kennedy
Taylor Kennedy

What if the games dont share a time line but all exist in a shared multiverse and that the similarities are just the universe's overlapping each other every now and then.

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pedro monteiro
pedro monteiro

that explains why the Fire Keeper says "soul of the lord withdraw from its vessel..." in Dark Souls 3 too

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Nameless King
Nameless King

So what I'm hearing is, Patches is an Eldritch being.

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Nameless King
Nameless King

I actually think the timeline is cyclical. Demon's souls taking place both before DS and after DS3. When the fire was finally allowed to fade and the light was extinguished, the gods dead, all that remained were the souls of darkness and chaos, humans and demons. Demons have no soul of their own like gods or even fragments of a shared one like humans but were created from chaos - a fusion of the light and dark soul and therefore require new souls to reproduce. The fragment of the light soul the witch of Izalith used to bear them sated them for millennia but eventually they had to resort to consuming the dark soul of humans but because the dark soul is divided among all humans, the only was to consume it is to consume ALL human souls. In fact we know the timeline is cyclical because the fire keeper in Dark Souls III foresees the beginning of the story of Dark Souls in the future, which is also the past. Damn time really is convoluted in this universe. Either that or the Witch of Izalith discovered chaos and didn't actually create it, the demons were imprisoned and she didn't birth them, she freed them. Or the easy answer, they actually are seperate universes like the developers said but that's no fun.

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Salad
Salad

Hold wait a minute so this theory isn't real. Shit you had me I totally thought you were serious

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big boss bob ross
big boss bob ross

Blood borne and demons souls are in the same universe in my head cannon, but dark souls and sekiro are not. The old gods of blood borne are controlled by the old one but the old one does not itself show up in the game. Rather he’s a kind of presence that persists throughout. Imo the good ending is cannon in DeS and the new world progresses into an Industrial Age. At that point the soul arts are rediscovered but are known as blood ministration (a more scientific name for a more scientific age) and it causes the old one to reawaken.

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Mike Eichner
Mike Eichner

The smoldering lake tunnels in ds 3 reminded me of some chalice dungeons

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Skyler Hanshew
Skyler Hanshew

Eee

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OtherMomo
OtherMomo

i enjoyed this a lot, but way at the end, using cut content to link two ends, i dont think Gascoiginy saying umbasa should count. if it mattered, it wouldnt have been cut, it isnt like something that was cut due to being unfinished

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Philip Schorr
Philip Schorr

I know it's not really a thing, but I've gotta say I do really like it. It's got a good throughline and helps make the idea of dark souls bot being stuck in medieval stasis.

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Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

1:29 Then why do it?

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Diego Intriago
Diego Intriago

I srsly think miyazaki is going to eventually make a game where everything collapses into a single lore that makes real sense and we are going to nerdgasm all over the world to the genius of that man

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Joe Trosclair
Joe Trosclair

Bloodborne happens in the future of the Dark Souls universe... It happens IN the Age of Dark.

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Lautaro De Simone
Lautaro De Simone

I just needed to watch this vid again after all this time and i want to ask you, why you don't believe in this theory? Where is the flaw?

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sean perla
sean perla

I also think jester was drug from bloodborne to ds1, by the abyss.

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sean perla
sean perla

This is too late, but i think it dosen't make sense that even though you sacrifice "every" soul, there are still peopelle alive. But also, wouldn't losing your soul kill you?

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Emma デロリ Terlecky
Emma デロリ Terlecky

I can't believe you seriously used the word Eldritch you are such a little fucking twit and I'm going to make sure that you have no place working in this industry

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Acher CthulhuViking
Acher CthulhuViking

Vaati: "Rip apart this in the comments" Comments: I dunno fam, dudes making sense to me

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I exist
I exist

I know you told me not to believe this but I totally accept this as the canon of the Soulsborn series.

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NotFreaky
NotFreaky

I feel like that demons souls and all of the dark souls games are connected, but bloodborne I dont really feel like it fits in the time line of sOuLs. Edit: ok now that i have watched the whole video it makes a lot more sense.

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TerracatHero
TerracatHero

If I knew what was wrong with this I might rip into it but I really like the theory.

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The Sezenians
The Sezenians

Let's all be honest and say that Patches is the one that confirms the connection of the SoulsBorne Games as he appears in all of them

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ASDF101
ASDF101

2:01 Just gonna say Lovecraft's favourite word all nonchalantly like that?

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Temple Charles
Temple Charles

Vaati: while I don't recommend you buy into this Theo... Me: I'm buying into this theory

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L S
L S

What about patches

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Lord Nidd
Lord Nidd

Ok, so my big question is: how does time affect a painting? Let alone a painting that exists inside of another painting that itself probably no longer exists? In other words: how is Chester, assuming he's from Bloodborne, snatched out of the Dark Soul painting when it's a painting that exists within another painting, Ariandel's painting, which only a scrap of still existed by the time the new painting was made, to say nothing of how it was being burned down at the time? I get that Manus is powerful, he's a god, like Gwyn, but we've never seen any power like that from any of the Gods of the First Flame, and I don't think Manus has ascended to the power of a Great One. The logical argument would then be, 'well, he's clearly more powerful because he can bend time,' except that time is already barely holding together at that point, as are the myriad worlds. We're told as much straight up. Also, why would the Chalice Dungeons exist in the painted world? I mean, I guess a small degree would make some sense, as we see bits of the older painting, Ariamis's painting, in Ariandel's, but that's almost certainly an in-universe homage, one painter referencing another and paying tribute in their work. So, why would there be an infinite series of dungeons, the only purpose of which is to sabotage the painting's purpose of being a curse-free world? We can assume the Great Ones would be responsible, but how did they find the painting to begin with, given the other issues and the lack of souls, or at least the freedom of the souls from the curse? It would make sense if the Ashen One ended up in the painting, as their insane soul power would be a beacon for such beings, but they don't. They either bring about a new age of dark, reignite the fire, become one with the flame, or become one with the flame and lord of hollows. The only two endings that they could go back to the painting are the new world of dark, which they might not survive as ash without flame, and they'd probably want to oversee the transition caused by their "betrayal" regardless. It is possible, though. The other one is where they kill the Firekeeper and become one with the flame, and that one almost certainly isn't, as being consumed by fire seems to be problematic for paintings. So, again, that begs the question of where the Great Ones came from. Then there's insight. If the soul is how man perceives the world, or in a broader sense existence, around them, then what is insight? Is insight the soul of man separated from his body? That can't be, because Souls lore would dictate that man without his soul would go hollow, or at least lose his humanity. Here, man appears safer the _less_ insight he has, for more insight only brings one closer to the Great Ones, as souls did in the past. Humans still become inhuman, becoming beasts, but this again seems to be different than in Souls lore: consumption of blood inevitably leads to beasthood, even for those most resistant to it. There doesn't appear to be any strong connection to purpose, as in the Souls games, either, in which having strong purpose keeps one from going hollow, while having a strong purpose in Bloodborne has little effect, at least by comparison. This is best illustrated by the completion of NPCquestlines: in Souls, having their purpose complete almost always results in the NPC going hollow, but in Bloodborne, it doesn't usually end with them turning into beasts or going mad, though we have less evidence admittedly. Finally: the hunt in Bloodborne takes place in a higher plane, a dream of the Old Ones. It does take place in Yharnam, which is a real place, but it's in a dream Yharnam, with deeper and deeper layers becoming further and further away from reality as the hunt goes on. Even if the painting is the home of Yharnam, how does that happen? How does the Astral Plane of the Great Ones become so inextricably tied to the painting? Where were the Great Ones in Dark Souls? Where did the Eternal Dragons and Ever Trees come from in the world-annihilating fog of the Old One, and how are they immune to the fog? How does the Doll fit in with the Maiden in Black and the Fire Keepers? She's some kind of artificial construct without any special connection to the source of power we use, blood echoes, that I can think of, besides being a servant of the being that created and sustains the Hunter's Dream and, perhaps, being unbound by blood by virtue of her nature as an automaton. I don't know, maybe I'm rambling and not getting at anything of substance, but I guess those are the holes I see, @VaatiVidya. I'd love to know what you think, or anyone else who doesn't mind reading all of that.

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Derek Parrot
Derek Parrot

Eventually the great ones get everything straightened out and Knack is the last games in the timeline.

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Jas S
Jas S

Guys I just completed demon souls ps5 ..I have completed bloodborne and sekiro...whats the best way to experience dark souls now..just dark souls 3 or shall I play all 3

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Brometheus The first bro
Brometheus The first bro

I wonder if hp lovecraft’s old one gods are inspired by real existing conceptual things like death just as a thing or chaos as a primordial thing also

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ColdRamenTPM
ColdRamenTPM

me likey

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Dave Maison
Dave Maison

how come no one ever talks about big hat logan's dialog in the original demon's souls where he talks about discovering the dark souls?

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Nick vd Adel
Nick vd Adel

I truly hope they are connected. It feels like it makes sense and it feels like it enriches the plot (instead of cheapening it). In a way, having a painting in a 'dark world' which contains a world in its own is just.. Pretty Lovecraftian, no? Awesome video regardless!

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The British Show
The British Show

I support this

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Spunge
Spunge

The fact that “umbasa” was almost a phrase characters would utter in Bloodborne is so neat, that would have been a very cool tie to Demon’s Souls even if there’s no connection

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ivo tsveykov
ivo tsveykov

There’s a logic

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Ash
Ash

I love this guy

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Its Your Boi
Its Your Boi

Okay but how does Sekiro factor in?

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Femi
Femi

It doesn’t

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Michael Penn
Michael Penn

You said you didn’t believe in this theory and that this theory makes no sense. You are wrong sir. Not only did you piece all this together using ITEMS FROM EACH GAME, but you made Demon’s Souls and Dark Souls have an actual timeline when their time is convoluted as HELL. And to be able to tie them in with BBs Chalices? My god

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DarkSavage54
DarkSavage54

Pardon me but would that make sekiro after bloodborne?

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TheDarkRedbird
TheDarkRedbird

Okay but WHAT IF... you, reborn as a great one at the end of Bloodborne, turn out to be... The Great Old One from Demon's Souls? So it's a never ending cycle. That's why there's a Demon's Souls Remake right after Bloodborne. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

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mohammad saleem
mohammad saleem

That mean dark souls remake is next. WOOOOO! YEAH BABY!

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George Jones
George Jones

Umbasa 🙏🏽, Demon’s souls remake and watching this. Amazing theory

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Adam Anouer
Adam Anouer

To be fair, I am sort of inclined to believe that From would've been happy to acknowledge Demon's Souls as canon if Sony didn't own the rights to the game and the same sort of applies to Bloodborne. I can well believe the idea of a shared timeline between these games but it all falls apart when you consider how the series is laid out especially given how Dark Souls 3 sort of frames itself as the end... of existence.

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Krypto Kn8
Krypto Kn8

"They shatter the minds" Orphan of Kos took that a little tooooo literally

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snAK-47
snAK-47

He took me 27 tries

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MR_ Galaxycat the3rd
MR_ Galaxycat the3rd

I just always thought demons souls was the beginning of the the souls timeline and ringed city was the ending and blood borne

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MR_ Galaxycat the3rd
MR_ Galaxycat the3rd

Was just it’s own thing

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Masterzoroark666
Masterzoroark666

Vaati, the librarian Disgarded logic of the world Thus commiting the first sin

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Lord Ektor
Lord Ektor

The funny thing is I never knew people assumed they were all connected in this way and I'm still not sure if they do. I thought it was obvious it was structed like The Legend of Zelda. Which according to the devs was a huge and I mean huge inspiration. The Legend of Zelda has a split timeline leading to different paths depending on if the hero wins or loses. Now Demon's Souls has 2 endings. The Bad ending see you join the Old One, cover the entire world in fog, and gather the souls of every living thing on the planet to bring to the Old One. This created the Dark Souls timeline which starts with the world in fog. The Good ending sees the Old One put to sleep and the Soul Arts are forgotten. Creating the Bloodborne timeline where technology and knowledge take over and all soul magic is lost. It's obvious why they would say Umbasa in Bloodborne because it directly followed the defeat of the Old One and all humanity wasn't lost. It wouldn't make sense to follow after the entire Dark Souls series and only reappear several apocalypses later. Bloodborne also wasn't a world created in Blood, there wasn't any power in Blood until the discovery of Old Gods and their blood. Which just says the world is full of other God like figures similar to the Old One. It's also not localized like a painting that contains one area. There is an entire world outside Yharnam.

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Adam Anouer
Adam Anouer

Bless you bud, I can sort of see what you mean by that and honestly if that were the case I think I could dig it. What I think it ultimately comes down to though and why Demon's Souls in particular is not canonically linked to Dark Souls is quite simply because Sony own's the right to Demon's Souls and that applies to Bloodborne as well. I think either game could work within the established continuity of the series and if From had free reign with all 3 may have even tied to one another directly... As it stands though unfortunately there's just not enough sadly. Though I will say my friend you have great taste in games :)

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SHABORN ALLAH
SHABORN ALLAH

would you do a remastered version

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Prepare for Trouble
Prepare for Trouble

Honestly I like this. Though I only played bloodborne. I am interested in playing demon souls.

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Adam Anouer
Adam Anouer

Bless you dude. If you like the atmosphere and feel of Bloodborne I think Demon's Souls is a no brainer... maybe wait until the PS5 has dropped about 500 or test a PS3 but I find Demon's Souls has a lot more going on with it's world than Dark Souls does. That doesn't just apply to the story it goes for gameplay as well.

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Dragon Unity
Dragon Unity

And then, Ashen one stop fire cicles and Elden Ring begin

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Iam tetsuo
Iam tetsuo

I really like the combined lore math of the dream worlds and the painted worlds: 1. Great ones can create dream worlds 2. We have caryl runes a visual representation of the great ones powers 3. Humans can create worlds from the visual medium of painting

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Seal Darklight
Seal Darklight

When you picked the evil ending, the world will be engulfed by fog and create the world of dark souls. Every demon souls remake players will grind Maiden in blacks head and create the true ending.

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Lord Ektor
Lord Ektor

Unless the game that inspired Demon's Souls tells the real story. They drew lots of inspiration from The Legend of Zelda which has a split timeline depending on what happens to the Hero. The Good ending of Demon's Souls puts the old one to sleep causing the entire world to lose access to soul magic. That is probably the true ending for creating the Bloodborne path.

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Infes Gaming
Infes Gaming

I’m confident in my dark souls lore because of u but if I’m not mistaken dark souls was not a world of fog but simply a word with out there was no death life good bad there was no light just the immortal dragons one day as the cycle began anew light appeared and from the light came the lords seeth the scale less betrayed the dragons and told lord Quinn how to defeat them then the rise of humanity began but like how the world was it is fading to black (a spoiler for an ending of ds3) the fire keeper takes the flame then said she can see tiny flames dance across the darkness once again then the light goes out I believe dark souls is it’s own universe because of the fact that things are doomed to repeat

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Lord Ektor
Lord Ektor

The Dark Souls intro cinematic starts with "In the age of ancients the land was unformed, Shrouded by fog" which is where you can infer the world is covered in fog. The evil ending cinematic for Demon's Souls says "and before long the world will be engulfed in the deep fog... bring more souls" Then we need to remember. Dark Souls was in production while Demon's Souls was being finished. We would get our first look at Dark Souls less than a year after the release of Demon's Souls and the intro cinematic was probably done long before that. From Software didn't know Sony was going to back out so quickly fearing Demon's Souls would sell poorly. This most likely was a direct sequel until legal complications caused the name change to Dark Souls. Then I can address the life, death, heat, cold, light, or dark from the intro of Dark Souls. It's important to note the creation of the first fire had disparity come along with it, not that it brought those disparities into existence for the first time. Light and dark... the world is clearly not without light or you could see nothing. But the world is covered in fog which creates darkness and giant arch trees that block out the sky blocking sunlight. The creation of a super powerful fire would burn away the fog. The souls given to the witches let them burn away the arch trees revealing the sunlight. Now that there is light there is obvious shadows and dark places instead of just a uniform darkness. Heat and cold is obvious. Cloud cover and tree cover traps in heat from the day. So a world in fog with super trees would insulate the planet to remain a much more constant temperature. The super fire creates heat of course but also the removal of the fog and trees would have a dramatic effect on the temp. Now that there is warmth there is obvious cold times as well. No more uniform temp. Life and Death is a interesting one. The Dragon's were probably just a specifies that doesn't die of old age. We don't know if when the flame burst to life and the souls started escaping, did it bring to life all the old souless husks, or were they already alive as souless husks. Nito the first of the dead is made up of reainmated skeletons brought back to life by the fire, his body created from humanoids skeletons from a age long ago. Either way they recovered their life and gained the ability to die, until cursed by Gwyn by the curse of undeath. These especially Nito suggest that there was humans here long ago to create these skeletons and souless husks in the first place. None of these would not let the 2 games be connected, they seem to imply the games are connected. The Old One is still a giant tree that lives in the ocean, creates fog, and consumed all the souls of almost everything on the planet. Dark Souls still starts covered in fog, with giant trees growing out of a giant ocean, and everybody is a weird souless husk. The first fire is still a random collection of all the souls that existed on this planet, which had to come from something, and they grant the same power souls give in Demon's Souls. Dark Soul's world is different than Demon's Souls because of the Soul magic that was used and the curses placed on things. They created their own reoccurring time trap.

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ninelotus
ninelotus

I've always viewed the Dark Souls opening with the fog and dead world as a clear continuation of the Demon's Souls ending, but have a somewhat different take on the relationship between DS3 and Bloodborne. The "Age of Deep Seas" mentioned in DS3 would look like Bloodborne, it's the next cosmic aeon in some even larger cycle above Dark/Fire. The Age of Fire/Dark has been so unnaturally prolonged that concepts that properly belong in the next aeon have started bleeding into the world of DS3 (i.e. Cathedral of the Deep, Irithyll areas, Aldrich's vision of the coming age). One notable difference between the Age of Fire/Dark and the Age of Deep Seas is the shift in the medium of souls: in DS series, souls are fiery, whereas the "life/kill" points in Bloodborne have a liquid form.

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ninelotus
ninelotus

The role of The Painter is in my view a symbol for people who are inspired by Dark Souls and go on to create their own games/worlds. Mortal Shell would be an example of such a "painted world". In this light, my earlier comment about Bloodborne-concepts ending up in DS3 can also be seen as a metaphor of game development: "The market has compelled us to make Dark Souls games for so long that it overlaps with our Bloodborne development timeline, and we ended up putting related assets into DS3 (e.g. Sulyvahn's Beast)"

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Nick F
Nick F

The main issue with this theory is pretty simple: dragons. We know that in dark souls the primordial dragons were ageless, immortal, and extremely powerful. We know that they were before the lord souls were found. So why is there no evidence for the everlasting dragons in demons' souls? Sure, there's the dragon god, but it's not an everlasting dragon. The real more likely case, if you want to make it, is dark souls is its own universe with bloodborne and demons' souls being their own universe with old ones.

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Lord Ektor
Lord Ektor

Nothing in Demon's Souls says Dragon's aren't everlasting. The whole dragon species may never die of old age thus being everlasting not immortal. Who knows how they would evolve over millennia of being the only surviving species on the planet... a planet that is now covered in fog and giant arch trees that block out the sun. The changing conditions of the planet would effect their appearance eventually. They clearly has many different looks by the time Dark Souls starts. You bring up the dragons but Nito the first of the dead is literally reanimated skeletons of humanoids from a age long ago. So there was obviously people at one time and people that weren't just souless husks like the other undead. I would say that the game copied it's inspiration The Legend of Zelda and has a split timeline. In Demon's Souls when you join the old one and cover the world in fog you create Dark Souls. When you put the old one to sleep and all soul magic is forgotten you create Bloodborne.

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Nick F
Nick F

Getting more into it... we know that immortality doesn't actually truly exist in the demons' souls universe. Sure you're trapped and so YOU can't truly die until the old one is dealt with but.... wait that sounds like bloodborne. In both cases we know that the old ones are what's causing the disruption of death. That due to the power of both there is almost a dream-like in between where we go when we die. We also know that the original old one is very capable of transforming people into eldritch creatures. Remember Allant? He looks like he is almost an old one, but not truly reborn. Instead he's transfigured, mutated, almost like a failed experiment... interesting.

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Nick F
Nick F

Just got to the point in the video where it mentions they were supposed to be linked. Huh maybe I'm onto something...

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Joel Gawne
Joel Gawne

I love this because it makes the entire Soulsborne series the biggest love letter to Lovecraft, Tolkien, and Nietzsche that has ever existed.

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Adam Anouer
Adam Anouer

Yeah! wait, you mind explaining that last one buddy?

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Trish Ferguson
Trish Ferguson

blew my mind

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