I wish izalith was fun

I always considered the chaos flame to be a flame of survival , it mutates and warps to create new beings and due to its chaotic nature it can be more evil than good. It almost creates being that can survive in the world of the dark, which would make for an interesting souls game, dark vrs chaos flame. The dark is more subtle, more stoic it simply wants to be. Like a introverted dark side of the force, it dose not seek agitation and terror to empower itself it seeks sublime serenity and will use anything it can to attain it. I would NOT call the profane flame evil, it feels like more of a sub variation of what The witch of Izalith was trying to do, to create a endless flame, but its not directly linked to chaos but rather "fell from the sky" which could be it being made by the gods or a fallen god.

I still dont understand dark souls but i just love watching your explanations🤞😅

Fire Force is literally has the same lore as Dark Souls!!

(sorry if someone said this already) I see the Bounding Demons - That Which Fails to Become - not as failures of Dragons, but failures of Demons. We see often in the lore, especially through Hawkshaw's interpretations, characters trying to utilize *parts* of dragons in various ways following the Lords' uprising. Seath wanted to harvest their scales in search of their secrets to immortality, we use them to reinforce dragon weapons, someone placed the Undead Curse on Dragons, theres the whole Dragon Cult, etc etc. - I believe many dragon remnants, pieces, were also used by Izalith in the creation of Demons- to some varying degrees of success. We know Demons are a culmination of multiple forms of life - chimeras of sorts, born of Chaos. And we know Izalith got at least one wrong - Ceaseless- before she got them right, so why wouldn't she have a few other errors in her trials? I suspect she used readily available, and once very powerful, dragon parts as an obvious first/early step, but like with Seath, it turns out putting eternal dragon bits to use is not all that easy. I think the lava-filled entrance to Izalith by Centipede Demon was sort of her "dumping ground," or some kind of holding pen, for her failures - those which "Failed to Become" Demons, but did not die. We also know these are the lower halves of the Undead Dragons, and this might not be a simply reused asset. Undead Dragons often lack scales, perhaps carrying only 1 on their entire person, so however they came to be, they would likely be of no use to Seath, at least, so competition for such parts would be low. Perhaps they were what was left after the forces that be scavenged almost all of their scales. I also don't think she gave up on using Dragon parts in the creation of Demons - though I think she discovered she had to use them in a less heavy-handed, direct way. The Demon Spear for example always bugged me - it expressly states it's made from the bones of demons, but I could never shake the feeling that it looks more like a piece from the EXTERIOR of a dragon or drake. It might, in fact, be both - and dragon remnants could make up a certain percentage of many of the demons we meet.

This is just a hunch but given how deeply related the chaos and dark infusions are in DS3: Could it be that Izalith tried to create a flame for humanity?

It might've been mentioned before, but if the Demon Firesage (and likely Asylum & Stray Demons) was a member of a group or order of firesages, and which held a significant amount of prestige among the citizens of Izalith post demon emergence, it'd make sense considering the demonic statues in the Demon Ruins and Izalith look like miniture versions of those same demons, as though made in their image. As to why Asylum and Stray aren't fiery, maybe they've just been too far removed from the chaos flame for too long? Stray has literally the same staff the Firesage uses, but deals magic damage instead, and they were described as being sages and priests, while the DS3 Izalith staff saying "the flame witches were at once both sorcerers and shamans". Hard definitions of magic and magic users are hard to pin down due to how much variation there is in fiction, but Shaman especially tends to have a strong relation to "channelling", or drawing upon outside forces and directing them. If this were a fair description of the firesages, it'd explain why the 2 in the asylum would lack any fire based abilities.

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This makes me want to play it with Japanese voices in fan translation...

What is this?

Shulva and izalith have some sort of connection Sinh the slumbering dragon could be a dragon created by the chaos flame He uses toxic clouds which is a pyromancy And the dragon butts are also present there.

Izilith deserved good level design and good looking lava and no annoying parts. But that’s not what we got.

I need that video on qualana

Missed opportunity to make a Shadow the hedgehog reference; “Chaos control!”

What happand to the 7 witch of Izalith?

what is that sword in 12:08?

watching this after ricardo's age of chaos entry gives izalith far more character than plinplinplon.

Ceaseless wasn’t born as a demon, he existed before as Izalith’s only son and was twisted with the chaos flame?

Vaati on Demon-kind: This is a society!

i mean no one ever really mentions that the fair lady took in the blightpuss voluntarily, and that queelag urged her not to, both requiring quite big thought imo and that the servant knew this without speaking their language, the fair lady speaks calmly despite her pain. i think a further insight about the parasitic nature, is that it can be symbiotic, you can become an egg barer and at the start its parasitic, but once useful (although in game not the best) you have control of the being which will help defend you

obg pela legendas!!!

Whats the name of the song that starts out at 6:40?

I really want the abyss video

Vati ur funny man

The caduceus that comprises the shape of the Izalith staff is interesting. These two serpents may represent the primordial serpents Kingseeker Framp and, Kaathe. The black witch's staff in Dks2 and Izalith staff in Dks3 are not permitted to cast pyromancies either.

Izalith, the Chaos Flame, and the demons themselves are by far the most fascinating part of the Souls world to me. I'm also deeply fascinated by the nature of the Dark, and of humanity, and how Fire is the true cause of all the problems we have with the Abyss, but. Something about Izalith, man. It draws me ever closer. Like how the Fire Sage was the first demon, BEFORE THE WITCH SOMEHOW

I've always had a feeling that there's something between Chaos/Izalith in DS1, and quite how firey DS3 seems... but I don't know though

I think its a bit of a jump to say quelaana faked her death. I don't know too much about the lore, but in the cinematic, all of the daughters wore the same gold hemmed outfit. also theres the pyromancer we fight in front of the bed of chaos fight. did we ever confirm that was quelaana? like I said I dont know that much, but it doesn't seem that far fetched to say that it could be the dead body of one of the other sisters. up until now, I kinda just assumed it

So, the demons, a once chaotic race birthed by the witch, who helped greatly in the war, that - unlike the old humans - actually depended on flame as well, like the lords and 'lord-kind', if you will, gained control and became orderly, forming their own civilization. And then, Gwyn... hunted them and tried to elicit genocide? Between Izalith and the humans, it is becoming an increasingly terrible idea to help Gwyn, seeing as how he tends to treat his allies.

I'd love to see Dark Souls 4 be a prequel to 1 that shows all of these events. But it's just not Dark Souls style to clue in the player that much.

I beat bed of chaos second try, so happy that I didn’t have to go through the same pain some other people did.

I did it in full havel’s, havel’s shield and fist. I broke the two shields then quit out and took off my armour so I could fast roll onto the branch

Chaos is a product of entropy in the sense of physics. The Witch increased chaos which increased entropy which hastened the fading of the fire.

Love your vids bruv. Big shootout to the tubers who you researched from. Brilliant lore society.

Quelaag, Quelaag's Sister, Quelana, Body in Ceaseless' arena, 1 outside BoC, 2 inside the BoC. Ceaseless was the youngest brother of the children of Chaos, and was born diseased, not a fully fledged demon, not a full human either (Orange Charred Ring references this) So no, I don't think it's true that Izalith's demons are desecrated humans, just diseased, considering that Ceaseless had puss-filled wounds, which progressed into demonic plague.

I don't see the Fire Sage described as first daemon being contradictory myself. Personally I see it as a distinction between the likes of Ceaseless, who was mutated, and the Fire Sage, as an actual, shall we say, 'purebred' daemon.

Where are those female voice lines from. The ones that mention trespassing in Quelaags domain. Iv never heard them in my playthroughs. Are they cut content?

Okay I got two things that I need someone to talk to me about 1st the witch of izalith and her daughters was inflicted by this curse and transformed into demons but how is it that the one daughter managed to escape but she was transformed into a demon now I thought that when the witch of izalith tried to recreate the flame it backfired now clearly it runs through the blood line this cures because her daughters got inflicted by the cures so how did the one single witch avoid it 2nd Now I’m not sure if I’m being over imagining this or not but I’m dark souls 3 lothric wears a prayer robe now look at the witches of izalith robes don’t they look the same if they are the same then what connection have lothric got with izalith

14:45 gave me goosebumps

So everybody talked about how Anor Londo reappears in ds3 but nobody seems to talk about the demon ruins and all the izalith related stuff found there. Is there ever going to be an in-depth video on the demon ruins from ds3? Does it allready exist and I've overlooked it? There are a few questions I'd like to get answers to like: 'Are the demon ruins what is left of izalith?', 'Why are the ruins next to the Smouldering Lake?' 'Why is the ODK boss arena outside and not behind the demon ruins?' And lastly: Is there a reason for the lake-ruins area to be connected to the catacombs of carthus and if so why?

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Vaati so many times you answered my questions But can you answer this simple question Who the fuck thought it would a good idea to put ten Taurus Demons in the same spot

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Never really noticed but in the scene with izalith holding the small flame with her daughters around her the surrounding fog seems to be closing in on them rather quickly. Perhaps the flame she was holding was becoming weak and losing its power and so they huddled around the small fire in an attempt to resist the darkness surrounding izalith and her daughters. Just a theory. Also to me it looks as if that may have been the very instance that she attempted to duplicate the flame so the they could protect or sustain their own power, not to kindle or help with gwyn's age of fire. Izalith and pyromancy has always been so fascinating for me specifically over other dark souls related things because we know so little yet there's so much that indicates some huge and awe aspiring events that are lost to time in dark souls.

Also some of her sisters sustained burns on their faces that are actually visible in dark souls 3. This scenario would be a perfect candidate considering their close proximity to each other and the fact that the attempt to duplicate the flame was an explosive release of chaos and fire uncontrollable even the the witches of izalith. I also noticed that when they all are huddled up around the flame. Only two or 3 of the sister's actually have their staves. Yet when they weaved the firestorms that destroyed the old land, they're staves were clearly visible and each witch had one of their own. Who knows maybe the two witches in the circle that he their stabes were effected much harder than the once without. Maybe the one's with the staves are in fact quelaag (spelling) and her sister the fair lady. Maybe maybe not but Interesting though nonetheless.

The only thing I really dislike about this video is the use of the enemies as some sort of proof, come on, every one knows by now that this part of the game was unfinished and they just threw random stuff to fill the area.

If all this is true, then your character is but a sperm trying to impregnate a being. Looking at the layout and map/topography of the level, the witches represent eggs discarded and "deformed". It's a very diseased uterus, with some type of cancer... considering the spider woman stuck in the wall... maybe ovarian cysts? Either way, it's all really messed up. And to think, someone loved her so much, they still tried to impregnate the world and birth it into it's new age. So you, being the sperm, are successful if you beat it. And in doing so, you end up ending that existence. And that sets up the metaphor for the rest of the game. It's about how humans destroy what is really considered beautiful nature and the nature of things. Dark souls... humans... they suck. This world, in essence, has demonized women throughout lore and history. Even now, american government speaks on behalf of women's parts.

some day the video for the sisters will be ready??

Why do we US users constantly get screwed on translations. Japanese version has like 10+ words American version barely gives any info at all and most of the time gives bad info.

The Dark Souls/ Soulsborne lore in general is sometimes so intense, it almost makes me puke :o

Years later, my mind is still having a workout differentiating between the first flame, chaos flame, regular fire and pyromancy fire. Don't get me started on regular soul, dark soul and a lord soul.

A soul is the life essence of a creature. A Lord soul is a soul of immense power. The dark soul was a special and powerful lord soul that was divided among mankind as humanities. The dark soul has more power than all other lord souls. The first flame was like the Big Bang, it started the whole universe, adding life and death, thought and feeling to the world. Chaos flame is a wild and out of control echo of the first flame, one that distorts life rather than create anew. Fire is fire. Pyromancy is the art of channeling fire through a desire to control it, and an understanding that you cannot control it also.

Dark souls lore is too vague to interest me... I sure tryed...

A "seedbed of grotesque life" could also means that they give birth to grotesque life, Quelaag and the Fair Lady also can be what she mension, the two sister's have egg's, they are seedbed's, and also, they are two, meaning that Quelaag and the Fair Lady could be the two sister's who left they staves to contain Izalith, if the bed of chaos was three persons, there would be three bugs, but there is only one, meaning that Friede, Liliane and Yuria could be the other three sister's that was missing.

Lmao, the views are at 666. Ironic since he's talking Izalith

"Mother's ambitions were misguided, no doubt, but surely a thousand years of atonement is enough!" - Quelana asking you to kill her family If it really was her desperation and not her ambition, she probably would have said something more like "Mother's ambitions were misguided, no doubt, but facing the end of fire, she sought for desperate measures. Surely a thousand years of atonement is enough!" The actual lines bothered me back in the day, when we thought that Izalith recreated the first flame to replace the dying one, but if we assume her ambition, it makes sense

still cant find my damn su- wait that glow.. could it be...

I bet Miyazaki watches these videos, nods a few times, and says to himself "I wish this had japanese subtitles..."

So the demons are good guys? If this is the case...

Looking back, I wonder if the war against Izalith happened before, after, or was the cause of The Nameless King having a change of heart?

@Daniel shore he certainly left after his father linked the flame, he left a miracle on his father’s grave “as a parting gift.” If you climb to the top of Archdragon peak, you see the corpse of an ancient dragon. Perhaps it was the sight of this that caused his defection. He was clearly traveling the worlds throughout the games

I have a theory that perhaps he left after gwyn linked the flame going against the order of nature to continue the age of fire? Hence why he allied with the dragons as they would allow the flame to fade

@Fuka Ton I don’t think he’d want to continue glorifying a traitor

@Henry Tims now that's actually a good point dude. On the other hand though, one would also think that Gwyndolin might just as well make another illusion like he did for his sister and possibly for Ornstein too

@Fuka Ton Gwyndolin would have done it. He has a vested interest in keeping the r illusion of Anor Londo alive. And heading that a god has defected wouldn’t breed confidence in the public

pretty sure demon are pure fire being. Fire is just a sign of evil.

Can I just say the golden hemmed robe look so alike the prayer set in dark souls 3 and I was told something quite recently but how many of you think that the smouldering lake is the place where the witches burnt the homes of the dragons ???

@VaatiVidya hey man. I appreciate your work. Is there any place where we can find the original dialogues and item descriptions? I want to get into the series but i don't want to miss important things in the lore seeing as the english version translated the lore way differently.

There really should be a dark souls mod replaces the in-game texts with the Japanese text translated into English

I can also recommend Hawkshaw's channel esp. the "way of the white" video has an interesting take on the undead curse. Also he has a somewhat more negative take on Quelana.

I just dont buy into the idea quelana faked her death. I find the rest of the evidence compelling but the need to make the gold hemmed robes into quelana doesnt make any sense to me and doesnt that leave us missing sisters who are unaccounted for?

I always hoped that there was more to the demons, chaos and their lost civilazation than that they're just a bunch of random monsters. This video pleased this desire. Keep it up skeleton

I always hoped that there was more to the demons, chaos and their lost civilazation than that they're just a bunch of random monsters. This video pleased this desire. Keep it up skeleton

Im waiting for the abyss video :(

I wish the souls games gave more attention to demons, they're very under-explored.

Staves, not staffs.

That this mystery body was found wearing $uniform worn by $person means that the body belongs to $person, despite there being one unaccounted-for individual who is known to wear $uniform? The detail hinging on this doesn't feel particularly well founded. That said I like the rest of the points raised, it's a novel perspective for me.

I love all your videos. Before watching them I had no understanding of dark souls lore despite loving the games. Did you ever make the abyss video?

I'll be patiently waiting for the next one Vaati! Something tells me that it'll be a great vid

Man, I know it'll never happen, but I would love to one day play the Izalith that they intended to make. The rush-job version is still really good, but can you imagine how much better and cooler it would all be if they had the time to finish it?

Always stealing shit from people

¿Sin subtitulos en Español?

I'm sad this series hasn't had anymore additions! It's such a great idea!

Did you ever do a video about the abyss?

Abyss video still in the cards?

You said that the fire arts acquired faith, could that be why pyromancy scales both on faith and Intelligence? Since before it was flame sorceries.

The way you refuse to respond to the obvious and fatal flaws with the "those specific robes must be Quelana's" interpretation is incredibly irritating. I get that you're emotionally attached to your idea, but refusing to even engage makes it difficult to take any of your ideas seriously. I mean, what if your other ideas have obvious and fatal flaws as well, but I just don't happen to have the right info to spot them? Difficult to trust that your ideas are intellectually honest.

The fact that Quelana is literally wearing her own Gold Hemmed set pretty much confirms that the set you find by CD isn't hers and the descriptions means "this type of garb is worn by Quelana" rather than "this particular set was worn by Quelana."

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i want a video about the abyss

I dont think the corpse in the Bossroom of Ceaseless is an attempt of Quelana to fake her death. After all: Didn't all the sisters wear the same robes? I believe its more likely that the corpse is another sister who died somewhat in the past

Please don't use the lower half of the undead dragons as a theory, everybody knows those things were not suposed to be there in when miazaki created the lore, just some random shit they put there to fill the area That's not something you should count while trying to understand Izalith I just hope they remake the game with ds3 graphics and a new and better version of Lost Izalith and Tomb of Giants

Counterpoint about the Witch’s name: it wasn’t an uncommon practice for the royalty to simply be referred to by the name of their kingdom, especially in Europe. In Hamlet, for example, King Claudius is often sometimes referred to as “King Denmark”, or sometimes simply “Denmark” or even “King Dane.”

I truly want to See a battle bettwen demons and Silver knights

Well, if they're not suffering beasts then that kinda makes them even more evil. Since they might still know what they're doing. :\

I really love everything about pyromamcy, witch of izalith, daughter of chaos, i didnt even use pyro in the game

Can you imagine the complexity of the history just from 1 lord in dark souls.. This is not just game but this is a true art

Hey Vaati any news on the other videos you touched on in this one? The tale of Quelana and the culture of the Abyss? I love your work.

Where is Abyss lore video?

Ever wonder if Ceaseless Discharge is in fact not a demon? Did anything actually say he was a demon, or just that he was created during the very beginning of the Chaos Flame? I don't remember...

I always believed that the albino batwing demons were created by Gwyndolin in a failed effort to replicate them as part of his DS1 illusion in Anor Londo. Would explain why they use lightning; the desperate god has no idea what he's doing or how demons properly functioned. Then again, he uses Moonlight magic, rather than lightning, so I suppose it's not >95% accurate.

I mean they have fucking statues a.k.a. art. Of course they're a culture. That's really the only fact you need.

I just realized all of the early pyromancers have burnt palms and fingers

Do the runes coming out of quelaag and the other chaos family mean something or are they just gibberish? cheers!

Well?where's the Abyss video?

3:31 this character can be found in the old demon king arena in darksouls 3

Who's that? Name??

Fun fact: there are twenty one dragon halves in Izalith.

~37k likes, ~250 dislikes... I guess the video WAS well received but wheres the video talking about the Abyss?