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The real Grand Betrayal is NOsection's automated flagging system
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In exactly 2 weeks, on the 23rd of September, at 7pm PDT, i'll be hosting a pvp event the Kiln of the First Flame arena.
If you invade me, and if you defeat me, our first five winners will each receive a gorgeous limited edition copy of Dark Souls: The Vinyl Trilogy, which will be officially released in Q3 of this year.
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Our next 10 winners will receive a physical copy of Dark Souls: BtG by Third Editions - which is a comprehensive, well-written exploration of the entire game, lore and all.
►You can buy it here: bit.ly/2gTKbgs
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Rules / Instructions
1. This event will take place on PC, PS4 and Xbox one - and while i'll personally be playing on PC, you're still eligible to win prizes if you defeat my two champions that i've sent to fight on XboxOne and PS4.
2. To compete, acquire the tools to compete in the Arena, then select Duel, at the Kiln of the First Flame, with the password "discord", all lower-case.
3. My name during the tourney won't be VaatiVidya. You won't know you've played against me unless you defeat me or my console champions and I message you on Discord.
4. In order to be eligible for the prizes, you have to be a part of our Discord server, which you can join by clicking the link below. Once you're here, change your Discord nickname to the name of the character you'll be fighting with in the Arena. This will allow me to message you in the..unlikely event that you beat me.
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Kommentarer
CallRoll
"What about when you are not there for her?" Remember kids, never abandon your waifus.
7 dager sidenCas
After moving away from my home state and getting a graveyard shift job, on nights off like these, I rewatch these lore videos. It helps as a background noise generator while my girlfriend sleeps upstairs.
10 dager sidenSkimp Craif
I'm watching this in 2021 and the camera work is still great.
10 dager sidenZippy Dastrange
I thought the darkened firelink shrine behind the consumed king was the remains of Ludleth of Courland world. Much like how the Ariandel DLC leads to an area where the left over dregs of other worlds mingled and sunk together, like the leftovers of a flood.
12 dager sidenLuca Borgini
I sottotitoli in italiano sono fantastici sopratutto alla fine del video 😂
16 dager sidenEli Elizondo
Perhaps its not a betrayal, perhaps the events in ds1 showed wat delaying the inevitable and darkness could happen, in izaluth demons were born, anor londo sun and Gwynevere r just illusions, hell even the giant guards and silver knights might be if kill the illusion Gwynevere they disappear, seath would continue horrific experiments until he went mad looking for something to deem him immortal, lordan would fall chaos and pain would ensue, perfect example was artorias, the knight with a unbreakable will of steel would fall to the darkness hollowing out still killing creatures of the abyss having shame and guilt knowing he failed, Gough even thanks u for slaying him , cairan understands y u jeep his soul knowing he would want u to have it, what if the prince knew about lordan perhaps he knew how nature works seeing as eventually Gywn's age of fire would fade, maybe it was lothrics time to let darkness take over after all if u choose to let the flame fade in ds1 the serpents (i assume) say "let true dark be cast upon the world" maybe thats y there are darkwraiths perhaps its the dark lord bringing darkness over the world and the princes acknowledge its nature and the flame will fade no matter how many times the flame is linked maybe the prince wanted to let it fade and was doing as nature is, either way some ashen one will let the flame fade or the dark lord will bring the darkness and mankind over the world, he did slay lord Gywn. (Feel free to correct me or give me ur thoughts or point things out that I missed.)
20 dager sidenAwmeration -Animations and art
Maybe ludleth was mistaken for Lothric and so he became a lord of cinder because he was forced?
22 dager sidenHoming Ice
Every Age is destined to inevitably end.
26 dager sidenPail Horse Gaming
I think Ludleths nightmare is why the other lords of Cinder don’t come back. Linking the fire is probably agony, so of course they don’t want to bear it again. I think that’s what makes Ludleth special. He knew it’s agony, but he returned and even had his legs cut off to stop him from fleeing his duty.
28 dager sidena very polite person
Off topic but why do we have to learn psychics like we make it so complicated when its simple as, object fall cause gravity push on object
Måned sidenPail Horse Gaming
Fuck... can you imagine having to fight Lorain if he WASNT crippled?
Måned sidenToad Jones
Looks like I'm late.
Måned sidenJUGS
what if the unlit firelink was more dangerous because it's locked away and isolated in its age of dark, the things there are recovering from the hollowing and corruption that is the extended age of fire on the outside world. The gravetenders are more lively and stronger, there's more wildlife in the form of the giant crystal lizards and gundyr hasn't been corrupted by the pus of man like we see in the world lit by fire. Maybe the shrine is void of life because of the darkness, or maybe the knights aided a treacherous ludleth with a massacre on everyone inside the shrine, He could have used a lordvessel to transport him and his knights to the heart of the shrine where they laid waste to everyone, then he traveled to the kiln where a Soul of Cinder lay defeated by the princes and he reignited the flame. It'd explain why there are no dark knights past gundry, he killed any that tried to pass because they aren't allies.
Måned sidenTalion Rayne
Could you host this again
Måned sidenBipChoo
6:22 i only recently started playing dark souls but the letters there look a lot like Hebrew letters
Måned sidenMitchel Levatte
Kick somebody ass become the ass you kicked got it
Måned sidenArthur Martins Machado
aff ta em ingles
2 måneder sidenHeisenberg Pinkman
I remember one time I fell asleep in class listening to one of these lore videos
2 måneder sidenSwevenHannibal
I can't really picture Ludleth linking the fire after Prince Lothric refuses to, causing an age of dark, for the very simple reason that, if that were the case, Ludleth's throne would not even be in Firelink Shrine. I think this is the most extreme case of time being convoluted when the fire is going out, making Untended Graves not the past or the future, regardless of what Ludleth says. It's just one manifestation of a possible outcome, perhaps something that Oceiros somehow experimented, making him lose his mind and obsessing over raising the prince to link the fire and prevent that from happening. Also, if Lothric refused to link the flame, bringing about an age of dark, and then somebody linked it on his behalf, kicking off the age of fire we are currently playing on... how long was it? What happened in it? Because Lothric as a kingdom remains and it doesn't look like there has been any other king after Oceiros. I think it just doesn't make sense and it's not supposed to.
2 måneder sidenmr poo poo
Sometimes I wonder whether Miyazaki is making some 500IQ statement about the spiritual fate of men in real life and it scares me
2 måneder sidenNova Nexus
I love the ending on betrayal. Let it cycle end, let the fire fade let the cursed go. If you listening to fire keeper lines she said a line about "Dancing flame in a distance" Just Like how The first flame ignite in DS 1 intro, "The world before is grey before fire, ruled by dragons" When the times come The flame will ignite itself and new age of life will come again. And hope they won't do the same mistake as the first lords did do to the first flame.
2 måneder sidenOmar Herrera
Whenever I write lore for my novel, I imagine an in story narrator with your voice :D
2 måneder sidenDrunk Souls
These videos are better than what's on TV nowadays
2 måneder sidenFullmetal Developer
Cool video👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
3 måneder sidenEmma デロリ Terlecky
Just like clever bot
3 måneder sidenStalwart Shinobi
And so long later we have questions to be answered... Heres hoping for a continuation of 3, dark souls will never be complete, its popularity guarantees new stories if not very strong theories
3 måneder sidenAustin Kosa
I wonder how many people actually managed to beat him in the competition. I wish I was a fan back when it happened. It sounds like it was a lot of fun
3 måneder sidenDharyl dixon yeet
I know its late for the fight but can i still fight you
3 måneder sidenYouuru Yyeiyueyey
Man I wish I couldve joined the event.
3 måneder sidenagh it's a plane
I wish that in the demon Prince boss fight you could fight with a lorian phantom,there's no lore reason as to why you couldn't considering time decides to just go bad shit crazy and bring people from every time and place to the dreg heap
4 måneder sidenguy not-fieri
the only thing that scares me in the entire game is how long lothrics nails are it also seems to me that lothric would be that kid that goes on reddit complaining about current society
4 måneder sidensun bro
Lmao
3 måneder sidenRamza Beoulves
What named entities survived Dark Souls 3?
4 måneder sidenAshmit Pattnayak
\[T]/
4 måneder sidenTasorius
I hope someone in that contest named themselves VaatiSlayer.
4 måneder sidenMaxRedOne 1
The hand maid is the stone humped hag in ring city
4 måneder sidenReconnecting Try again
So if the flame goes out will those bond to the linking’s curse be freed?
4 måneder sidenLoengrind
"To be alive, to walk this Earth... That's the real curse"
4 måneder sidenRyengu
What if unkindled ash is the foundation of the primordial world of grey that existed before the first flame? A substance not of fire or dark, but bearing semblance of both, with the potential for either to rise from it given the right circumstances.
4 måneder sidenPaul Kwiatkowski
So who beat Vaati in the competition?
4 måneder sidenMoonman
The grand betrayal is when the game makes you think your about to kill nameless king in ng+3 to bring the platinum trophy but he keeps spamming his ability and kills you .
4 måneder sidenZord Rage
whats the music at 11:09 ?
4 måneder sidenDracoNick
What I hate about these games is that I already finished DS1 and DS3 killing all the bosses in each...and I still know little to nothing about the wonderful lore the world they're set in has
4 måneder sidenclockoff94
0:14 jesus christ i never realised they were skeletons of firekeepers... to think our firekeeper almost got replaced in ds3 when irina came but she was too weak at that point to be a firekeeper 1:05 1:10 1:20 bruh they all just wanted to be free 2:00 oof old firelink vs 2:20 the new Firelink.. is the firelink in ds3 able to be found in ds1? 2:32 the old gods of Lordran.... 2:58 Anor Londo in ds1!! Lordran!! Can you see Lothric kingdom from Lordran in ds1? 8:05 thats why others dont want to link the flame because it hurts and he tells us that
5 måneder sidenNubslayer
Wait the fire keeper is not a sand bag!?
5 måneder sidenSimon Swanepoel
Light=Time, Light comes from fire, Fire=Disparity, without Disparity there is no meaning to Time. Interesting?
5 måneder sidenMiyazaki
Remembered first time I played against Lorian, I tought game was bugged out and somehow guy was stuck in ground, later did I found out, thats how Lorian actually moves
5 måneder sidenBandit_Catto
The event date was my birthday. So thats neat.
5 måneder sidenSoda Girl
Fun Fact: You can see the Fire Keeper's eyes if you put your camera as close to her mask as possible when you're behind her and slowly walk away. In case you can't get this to work, her eyes are a silvery-grey colour.
5 måneder sidenburazfly
This game is masterpiece a true mythological and religious marble summarising life and what happens to those who refuse to grow up, become responsible and adopt cynicism as life philosophy. "Your choices are my problems and my choices are your problems" What you do is forcing people to grow up and accept condition of existence, you are phoenix a constant death and agony returning for those who negate mortality and avoid duty, responsibility from abuse of power and mortal sins to remind them. I am death you can cut me and kill me but 1 in 1000 times I will get thru your soldiers, defences and then I will kill you and I have all the arsenal of your kingdom at my dispose
5 måneder sidenMacFest
\[T]/
5 måneder sidenConniptions 101
In all honesty, Lothric and Lorian were just trying to defend themselves. Lothric was tortured through experimentation and Lorian was such a kind brother, that he partook in Lothric’s curse and chose to defend him. I just wish Dark Souls had a little diplomacy when it comes to npc’s instead of just bloodshed. Also the way Lothric clings onto Lorian is wholesome, little bro is being protected by big bro. Makes killing them all the more sadder.
5 måneder sidenDeshiRyze
Souls games suck. Its not the difficulty which yeah is bullshit when a game literally chooses which try youll beat the boss. The arent fun, the story is absolute shit and doesnt make any since. Well thats bc the writers are lazy fucks and said he let the players make the story. Im sorry but the souls games in general are juat garbage. Bloodborne and sekiro are alot better.
5 måneder sidenFjorgyn
Lol in other words, you couldn't beat them. Cool story, bro.
2 måneder sidenMrrcDrrd
Its quite beautiful actually
5 måneder sidenGungis Grand
"What's your favorite Loco Loco song?" Me: 8:12
6 måneder sidenR ex
I don't understand any of this
6 måneder sidenBenjamin McDonald
Is there a video to the matches, I'd love to know if anyone one plus I suck at PvP so I'd love to watch some strats
6 måneder sidenSteven Victor Neiman
Once again, that surest and most ancient of truths is illuminated. That that fucker Gwyn is responsible for everything terrible, even the stuff that came after everyone he knew was dead.
6 måneder sidenCoffee daddy
Reckon I still have time to join the arena?
6 måneder sidenBoss
Cold is the absence of Heat. Darkness is the Absence of Light. Evil is the Absence of Love.
6 måneder sidensave
Am i the only 1 or did someone else thing that the firelink shrine ds3 looks like its in the past and ds 1 is later... cuz its liek with castles from the middle age... before a great buildung later a ruin...
6 måneder sidenNicholas Earley
Look at Lothrics design, he is a male fire keeper, which is a mutated oddity. Specifically Lorian's, since each hero has their own fire keeper. They are from the blood line of the white soul, Gwyn's soul, so they do not have the regenerative life restoring powers of the dark soul. His job is to bring his brother back to life, but this is done in a flawed and artificial fashion. This is why Lorian returns to life crippled and mute after his battle with the demon princes. But, Lorian never killed the demons soul, representing why they never linked the flame/ did their intended holy duty. Lorian's one job as a lord was to put his brother into a correct state to win that fight. Lorian accepts his borther's power, but does not complete his duty. This is perhaps because he is too crippled to win the fight. Now, Lorian waits with his brother acting as a protector for the failed incomplete experiment of a lord. Lothric himself is crippled because much like every other fire keeper, he inherits the broken states of his brothers soul every time he regenerates him, but since he is a flawed experiment, it does not work as intended.
6 måneder sidenNicholas Earley
The grand betrayal is attempting to replicate the dark souls power in a light soul.
6 måneder sidenThedarksoul
I wonder how many people beat him using ce not outright, but subtlety.
6 måneder sidenTheBest ThereEverWas
1:03 What! That firkeeper only said “I wish not to speak.” How’d you get that dialogue. I’ve replayed Dark Souls, 3 times and always tried to get new dialogue.
6 måneder sidenTheBest ThereEverWas
Keegan Stormblade thank you
3 måneder sidenKeegan Stormblade
I think she says that after you've placed the Lordvessel and filled it with the Lord Souls
3 måneder sidendamianperaltassj 1
where is the lore of the game? It is possible that the lore is on specifics books??
6 måneder sidenAlex C
I think Ludlith regrets relighting the first flame and feels guilt for prolonging the state of the world. He may have only known the consequence of his actions upon being brought back from the dead. I think him knowing of the Firekeeper's eyes speaks volumes. He may have heard the truth from her, but did not believe it as he was likely lied to in order to link the flame. Now he knows what he has done.
6 måneder sidenkhalid Senpai
Im 2 years late but what if those players who put the password fight each other neither fight you
6 måneder sidenCrimson Koba
There are two kinds of people that I hate: 1. People who put pineapple on pizza 2. People who don't agree that Aldia was the First Scholar of Lothric
6 måneder sidenRahul Verma
He was frm drangliec ......not lothric
3 måneder sidenSky Arinto
I think the chaos blade is proof of why there are black knights in the untended graves
6 måneder sidenJesterface
Those corpses in the tower are just the ones i accidentally murdered.
6 måneder sidenEL R
Fuck Prince Lothric, all my homies hate Prince Lothric
6 måneder sidenSlick Silver
Did anyone beat his champion?
7 måneder sidenGustavo Fernandes
05:13 which items?
7 måneder sidenEclectic Spaghetti
I think Dark Souls 3's whole thing about the grand betrayal and/or usurping the flame is one of the most interesting stories in the entire series.
7 måneder siden60 Second Gaming
Oh I forgot something pontiff sulyvahn was should be at untended graves but was relocated to different maps Ya you know from software is lazy, greed AF
7 måneder sidenKing Creeper
yo can i join the pvp event XD
7 måneder sidenMadison Maze
But how do you even make a ring of fire around the dark soul that creates the curse in the first place? Gwym deserves some engineering credit for pulling that off. He knackered the entire universe and got away with it. Or was the Ringed City the ring he put around the Dark Soul that caused the curse in the first place? Where can I find out more about the origins of the curse? My dentist needs to know.
7 måneder sidenMarcus Pollard
Did someone beat him
7 måneder sidenBungie Crimes
4:12 still can't unsee them feets
7 måneder sidenjojolafrite90
Why is there feathers everywhere in the boss room?
7 måneder sidenLord Lothric
For true answer one will be knighted!!! QUESTION:Would you like rice or beans for our course?
7 måneder sidenIn His Mind
Why am I finding out about this years later? Ugh! I was decent- maybe even good at pvp but this would have been fun to join in on if I had known about this as I was active in ds3 then.
8 måneder sidenLazar Lukic
8:00 *Gehrman Flashbacks*
8 måneder sidenMI TWEAKZ
Does someone defeat you ???
8 måneder sidenJezza Lenko
Ashen, cinder, flame links? Huh?
8 måneder sidenNameless Knight
They want Lothrick to link the fire and not Lorian because if Lorian rekindle the first flame The kingdom of Lothrick will stay without king as Osiros has fallen to madness, the Queen has abandoned the kingdom and Lothrick is not capable of become a King
8 måneder sidenloafBread
Dude, I know this is real late but that idea of dueling other players for a prize is honestly brilliant. Couldn’t think of a better way to organize a contest between followers honestly. Hope it was a fun event!
8 måneder sidenEthan Long
Mans stupid, two weeks from now is may 23st
8 måneder sidenRay
Hey lore seekers, I Just got a quick question concerning the lords of cinder. Did Aldrich, Yhorm, The Abyss watches, DLC lords, and all else who linked the flame battle the SoC as well? If they did shouldn't the Kiln be empty or at least them instead of the Soul of Cinders?? Something about the whole SoC lore I'm not understanding it seems... And when you link the flame... Don't you become Hollow or bound to the Kiln like Gwyn or the Chosen Undead and not resurrect to prancy all over the show at all? Thanks, guys and to you Vaati for your dedication and love for the series
8 måneder sidensun bro
@Ray homies helping homies describes this conversation
6 måneder sidenThomas Meric
@Ray Yep, that's mostly it. When you link the first flame, the main part of your soul is used to feed the flame. A small part is used to reinforce the SoC and the remaining part of your soul is kept in the cemetery of ash to return as a lord of cinder if needed. I don't know why our character wake up in the cemetery of ash. My interpretation is that the cemetery of ash, as well as the firelink shrine, is linked to the first flame. So those who sacrificed themselves to the first flame end up there, as corpses or as ashes that are reformed in bodies when the bell tolls. And the shrine move toward the next sacrifice (here Lothric). The Gwyn we fought in DS1 was probably the first version of the SoC, which don't have any free will unlike lords of cinders and unkindled. He is not hollow. Only human can be hollow. (To be honest, I don't really understand the difference between hollows who have lost their souls and humanity and hollows who are true human and filled with humanity.)
8 måneder sidenRay
@Thomas Meric Hey Thomas, thanks for the reply. Alright let me just confirm what I heard you say so I see if I understood it correctly... 1-Our character can't ever be a Lord of Cinder because of being unkindled and losing our soul to the flame at our first attempt to link it. 2- The SoC is generally like a ghost who IS and watches over the first flame and tests whoever wants to link it like Aldrich Yhorm etc and if depending on whether they're successful either a- Leave fragments of their soul/skillset within the flame (Lightning,pyro for example) b- Become unkindled if they fail and sent out again as an empty vessel to find more souls to level up and try to link the flame again. I still am unsure about this whole resurrection/reincarnation thing as our character first wakes up in the cemetery of ash and not the last bonfire before their first attempt to link the flame. Or how some of the Lords retained some "sanity" to return home and didn't fullon hollow like Gwyn but It's probably just one of those connect the dots thing or hidden mechanics Im guessing Does that about sum it up correctly guys
8 måneder sidenThomas Meric
Yes, all the lords have defeated a version of the SoC, but since it just an emanation of the power of the first flame, SoC reappear each time someone come to link the fire. And a part of the souls of Aldrich, Yhorm... is effectively in the SoC we fight. Unkindled have lost their soul when they failed to link the fire. Our character is just a vessel used by the first flamme to obtain the strong soul of Lothric. If you link the fire, a part of Lothric's soul is added to the SoC while our character is just reduced in ash. Our character don't become a lord of cinder.
8 måneder sidenBrendan Babin
One observation I've yet to read is the absence of most of the thrones. Four of the Five Lords have "betrayed their station." But we all know nine times out of ten, the game lies to us. An Illusory Wall, if you will. The Lords left their stations because they know the truth of the flame. They've seen, in their own ages, the nature of the curse, and that the rekindling of the sick flame does resolve the world's problems. Why else would they fight so viciously to kill you when you come to lead them back to their "rightful place?" The thing that vexes me is how there is already a throne for the twin princes, even though they forsake the linking in their own time. My understanding is that the Shrine houses all who have already stoked the first flame. If the princes denied their throne from the beginning, what does it mean that a place for them is already reserved? Is it as Lord Vaati prescribes? Has the mythology of the Flame has become so beaten into the fabric of this existence that each world's reiteration expects a lord without question?
8 måneder sidenGlass Lemonade
I just want fire keeper to be happy.
8 måneder sidenMr. Hamattata
I come a little late to try to beat you x)
8 måneder sidenRigó bácsi
Fuck. I think I am late for the fight club.
8 måneder sidenM_J S
Just earlier today I beat the game for the first time & even though I chose to end the fire with the fire keeper, I don't think I ever saw that cutscene with Ludleth at 6:05. But I remember talking to him & him saying that he chose to be a lord of Cinder & that I should choose my own path. The fact the fire keeper was willing to choose against her own destiny meant I had to go through with it.
8 måneder sidenCigHomie Cal
your story telling skills are awesome 👍
8 måneder sidenfredyoda24
I think that the black knights are at Untended Graves to protect the fire keepers eyes from the ashen one since they are Knight that served Gwen.
9 måneder sidenMadAtreides1
no matter what you may say, the firekeeper will always be my waifu
9 måneder sidenvictor hugo
About ludleth, he was strong before linking the fire, he was not weak as he is right now, it the first thing he says in the game Champion Gundir is not even on his feet, on ludleth was in his prime
9 måneder sidenC.
I finally finally found out what music they used at 10:50 in the video. It's Godforsaken by Hector posser
9 måneder sidenLucas Oliveira
Oh damn the arena was years ago.. good for you. I would have whooped your embers xD
9 måneder sidenATAHAN AKAY
All of this happened because lothric played scholar of the first sin
9 måneder siden